Hello, horseshit: The FDA, reports the Merc, wants to outlaw (or at least regulate) e-cigarettes, a healthier alternative to tobacco smoking that deliveries vaporized nicotine without carcinogens.
The product’s aficionados say that because it contains no tobacco, it can be used in bars, nightclubs, restaurants and other public places where states and localities have banned tobacco use.
But anti-smoking groups say that’s exactly the problem. They fear that it will reintroduce a “smoking culture” into places where people no longer are used to seeing wisps of smoke and cigarettes hanging from people’s mouths.
“I understand why people use the nicotine replacement aids,” said Serena Chen, regional tobacco policy director of the American Lung Association in California. ”But I don’t understand why people want to pretend that they’re smoking.”
Chen believes that many ex-smokers will conclude that the e-cigarette is harmless and be lured back into the smoking trap.
“If you had a serial killer who liked to stab people, would you give him a rubber knife?” Chen asked. “This just boggles the mind.”
Yes, because then he wouldn’t be able to kill anyone. Metaphors are hard, like rocks.
How much of the negative health effects of smoking are attributable to the nicotine content? Seems like if people want to use the drug in a manner that doesn’t negatively affect others around them this fall into to the realm of most other drug use and should probably be legal. Is there that much of a market for nictoine (as a drug experience) beyond people already addicted via the (horrible) traditional form of smoking?
And that guy definitely needs a lesson on metaphors
Apologies for going off topic, but: A quick Google search suggests that this is the first use of the brilliant “Metaphors are hard, like rocks.” This is begging to be a t-shirt, or at least a button.
People who leap automatically from “I don’t understand this” to “I must ban this” worry me deeply.
The anti-tobacco fanatics have been the most organized and effective policy-changing group in recent history.
Don’t believe it? Try holding an unlit regular cigarette (with no intent of lighting it) while on an airplane (as a friend of mine did). It brings a similar result as holding a stick of dynamite.
I quit after smoking for a loooooong time, and the quit’s been pretty good for the last couple years. But, dammit, I just really liked smoking. I still smoke my pens at work when stressed (which also keeps the other bastards from stealing ‘em), chew a lot of gum & rubber bands & flick stuff I’m holding. I don’t think it was ever about the nicotine for me. I can see the psychological benefit for current smokers which in turn could be effective therapy for gently reducing the chemical addictive element.
When I was in college there was some interest in chewing nicotine gum, both as a wakefulness aid and also as a way to benefit from state-dependent memory — basically you take low doses of nicotine when you’re in your 8AM Physics class and whenever you study, and then if you also chew a stick when you take a test, you score higher.
Most of the adverse effects of tobacco come from the tobacco, but nicotine (or more likely, Nornicotine) isn’t exactly good for you.
but that’s a simile.
I bought an e-pipe some time ago and was able to completely replace cigarettes in a couple weeks and wean myself off nicotine in a couple months. I smoked for over a dozen years and I have been quit for well over a year now. My pipe doesn’t work very well anymore, but it got the job done. For a while I was liking the vapor more than real smoke. Every so often I think about getting an e-cigarette and some zero nicotine cartridges. So there is that temptation, however without it, I never would have been able to quit. Even if I did pick back up my e-cig, it probably wouldn’t be as bad for me as some the TV dinners I eat.
Banning them because non smokers are used to not seeing people puffing on white sticks in public, and ex smokers will be lured back in to the habit, are such stupid ideas they truly upset me. By that reasoning tofu and all fake meat should be banned because it might cause vegetarians to fall off the wagon and start eating dead animals again. (I just can’t understand why people want to pretend they’re eating a hamburger. We should ban them.)
Also, can you really ban steam from a restaurant?
My sides hurt from reading that last line… I hope I remember to pop that one next time someone uses a horrible metaphor…
What’s wrong with a smoking culture that doesn’t kill anyone?
Also, if the rubber knife helps the killer vent his frustrations and helps treating his problem, then yes, go right ahead. The argument is broken.
If you want a nicotine fix, and you’re not harming anyone – who cares.
If you want to quit smoking, stop cold turkey. That’s how most people stop. That’s how I stopped. The only reason some people can’t is because they have no will power.
Well I do aggree it’s not nearly as bad as normal smooking. and for some it can help them actualy quit. still the fact that it does release smoke, is something that could in some cases cause problems still. even with the argument that this smoke isn’t nearly as bad for those arround you as the smoke caused by the tradional way of smooking. I don’t think it should be considered compley harmless as there are places where having any kind of smoke can damper or mess up the experence. outside of those places I think these things should be treated like any other stop smoking aid and nothing more. it shouldn’t be used by those who are not trying to stop using the tradtional ones.
The removal of tobacco as a drug will take generations if it can be done at all, which I doubt as you can’t uninvent anything.
The numbers of smokers goes down year on year, but they’ll never go away.
Would it not make sense to promote a smoke free alternative as part of the decades long strategy?
Chen is displaying the inflexibility of the puritan zealot. I do not like this so it is evil, I can not conceive of other people opposing my point of view. If they do they too are evil.
Equating,even comically, smokers with serial killers is absurd, and reduces her argument to white noise.
No nicotine is not the sort of drug you should be putting in your body, but we can’t un-invent it and I thought the US was meant to be the home of the free.
…all that being said , the E-Cig representative, Eitan Peer, really shoots his case in the foot with this little cavalcade of crap.
“It’s been approved by doctors. We’ve been on Fox News. We’ve been on ‘The Howard Stern Show.’ Our spokesmen are Jose Canseco and Danny Bonaduce.”
Shut up you arse, you are not helping your case.
Serena ought to look up the definition of ‘Reductio ad Absurdum’?
“It’s like, would you give Hitler a rubber gas chamber?”
#7: Well if Metaphors were indeed NOT hard, he wouldn’t have written a simile…
humor frappé in the ontology blender.
I love how they got rid of any pretense that getting cigarettes out of bars had *anything* to do with second-hand smoke inhalation, and everything to do with controlling people’s lives.
Humans ‘pretend’ to do stuff every day. Can you imagine if we didn’t? No more movies, video games, books, theater. If Ms Chen doesn’t understand why people would want to pretend to smoke in an effort to quit, then she has no idea what it is to be a smoker.
(quit cold turkey 844 days ago, no pretend cigarettes or rubber knives needed)
I have finally come to the conclusion, due to people like Serena Chen, that stupid people now outnumber non-stupid people.
I remember a PBS documentary on the history of smoking that mentioned the e-cigarette’s earlier incarnation, which was commonly sold with cigarette packages in Europe and Asia. It apparently was a type of vaporizer which slow burned the cigarette and took out somewhere between 70-80% of the carcinogens, largely created by the fast burning process of open flame smoking. Well, the American tobacco companies refused to bring the product to the US cause it would have been a full admission on their part that cigarettes are major cause of cancer. So, they’d rather people die, giving them plausible deniability, then actually protect the lives of their customers by offering them a harm reduction option.
Ended up costing them more in the long run, it seems.
Nicotine is not a harmless drug, although as the above link states, it’s impossible to get a nicotine overdose from smoking. (An old factoid is that, if you soaked a cigar in water to leach the nicotine out and drank the water, you’d die–the process of smoking burns up a lot of the excess nicotine.) I’ve occasionally thought of using nicotine gum as a stimulant, but I have no real desire to deliberately get hooked on one of the most addictive drugs around.
Except that it is very rare that someone doesn’t fit into this category. EXTREMELY RARE!!!
Are you for banning drugs? Polygamy? Guns? Prostitution? Public advertisements for booze? Tearing down privately owned ‘historical’ buildings?
I am sure there is something that you a) don’t know a whole lot about b) don’t directly harm anyone and c) want to ban.
”But I don’t understand why people want to pretend that they’re smoking.”
And I’ve never understood why people want to pretend that they’re not just smug hall-monitors who want to tell you want to do.
Does the faux one smell like a real cigarette? If it does, then I can see why other people around you would be bothered if you are smoking it in a restaurant.
If it doesn’t, then all e-cigs should come wth a rubber knife so you can stab stupid people and show them that you are (mostly) harmless.
Smoking is great for stupid people.
You take a drag when you don’t know what to say and nod a bit. Best social device ever.
While this is fairly obviously a case of puritanism running amok, as usual, e-cigarettes fall well within the FDA’s legitimate purview. Purity and potency are, after all, important qualities of drugs.
Do you want your e-cigarette nicotine modules to actually bother to contain what their label says they contain? How about not containing a grab bag of whatever nasties happened to be on hand in the factory that day?
I’m no fan of prohibition, or its craven moralizing buddies; but I’m a big fan of honest and accurate labeling.
Oral fixations shouldn’t be discounted as a reason why people continue to smoke or pretend to. The first argument many of my ex-smoker friends made was almost universally “It’s not a physical addiction, I’m psychologically addicted.”
They chalked it up to a habit, that they didn’t know what to do with their hands otherwise, and other excuses.
I somehow doubt gum or patches provide that same feeling.
And is the serial killer reference really a metaphor or just a poor analogy?
I must say, even though i hate smoking with a real passion, i really cannot see a problem with these e-cigarettes.
They take regular cigarettes, remove essentially all the harmful and antisocial toxins + stench from them leaving only the raw ‘drug’ part only.
IE. turn an ‘area of effect’ damaging and nasty-smelling thing into a single-person-only effect device.
Not only is this not a problem, stances like this are actually actively damaging for genuine people like me who like to be rid of smoking in public, because it takes the *reasonable* anti-smoking arguments to such an absurd extreme it makes *us* look like the intolerant and antisocial lot, thus destroying the moral highground…
Will the anti-e-cigarette groups mentioned in this article kindly STFU for the sake of non-smokers everywhere please
“Thigarek?”
(SF geek points to anyone who recognizes the reference.)
Provided this doesnt:
a) Smell bad.
b) Give people around you cancer.
or
c) Create one more litter problem,
I say let them have fun.
I quit the coffin nails 6 years ago, gradually, after several failed attempts. Never going to touch that crap again in my life if I have any say about it.
a bad analogy is a like a wooden banana.
I occasionally smoke cigars, and I have to say I never did so for the nicotine. In fact a larger cigar often gave me a headache if I smoked it too fast, I didn’t enjoy that much nicotine intake.
By and large it was just something to keep my hands busy and distract myself. This was especially true during conversations (where I normally fidget in other more distracting ways due to residual ADHD symptoms), or when I was drinking when the activity was just a very relaxing thing to do.
If there was something else to smoke in this way that was pleasant and healthier (so, stuff like clove cigarettes fail on both counts) I’d pick that up in a heartbeat. Obviously for me this isn’t e-cigarettes though because I’m not looking for the nicotine.
You can get e-cig cartridges without the nicotine! I have, they are still fun to smoke. Then it’s basically just water, whatever pretty flavor/scent you select, and some kind of food preservative that I think makes the solution thicker. I believe it’s called Glycerol. There are even vitamins added to some e-liquid.
They definitely wont give anyone around you cancer, they create much less of a smell disturbance than even your average persons perfume or cologne, and so much less litter than cigarettes it’s not even funny. I already commented on this article, but I just feel very strongly that this is the future of smoking.
If it actually gets banned, I bet Philip Morris will be behind it pulling the strings. They are not equipped to dominate a new market of e-smoking.
@ #23 techdeviant
They are odourless.
I agree that the FDA should be involved, to provide control of ingredients,accurate labelling and potencies.
The E-Cig should remain tax free, or at as low a possible tax band as govts can maintain.
I don’t know how much a pack of coffin nails cost in the US but in the UK they’ve been about five pounds a pack for years. So they currently cost about $7 a pack. and about a year ago were tipping it at $10.
Smokers may prefer a cig to it’s electronic counterpart, but if you can get the equivalent nicotine for a fraction of the price and smoke indoors with out harming or inconveniencing others it is a world of WIN.
The smokers saves money, the NHS saves money, the tax payer in turn saves money and it will improve both the length and quality of a great may peoples lives.
@#4: that metaphor is not hard as rock. Using your example, it’s unverified intent of lighting the cigarette where you are NOT allowed to smoke.
Now, regarding the E-cigarette , it’s a masked way to get people to pick up smoking or keep smoking. Nicotine is highly addictive ( more than alcohol and other drugs ). So, these companies are looking for a “healthy” way to grab you by the cojones so that you keep paying up, sucking up for the rest of your life, while they smile at how smart they were for selling that product.
Wake up, you are being used and in a way even farmed, so that you give them money for the rest of your life. Now, if you do research, call up people and know the consequences of what it can do to your body, then go ahead. It would be your choice. In my opinion, not the smartest one of your life.
It seems to me the question lies whether it should be legal to smoke this e-cigarettes in bars or not. Perhaps having smoking bars and non smoking bars would be an option.
For example, A Hookah venue to smoke the Shish, you know what you’re going to be breathing. It’s still a form of tobacco and it’s been used for a long time. It smells nice thou. this is a specialty kind of smoking place.
It would be your choice to be there or not.
I strongly support the use of e-cigarettes. I can’t stand it when people smoke around me, due to the health effects, the stench, and the litter; but e-cigarettes take care of most of the issues.
…Ironically, one of my local clients is considering selling these in their nightclubs. They’ve checked with the local excuse we have for a city council that fought to keep the smoking ban from being repealed, and apparently according to their contacts with the health department, there’s no way they can justify a ban on them because they don’t produce smoke. If they put a ban on steam, pressure cookers, coffee brewers and teapots would have to be banned as well, and saunas and hot tubs in gyms would also be required to shut down.
…And here’s the other thing that the gummint doesn’t like about the e-cigs: apparently they’re exempt from state taxes in many states, so that at the current rate of taxation increase, by 2015 an e-cig may be *cheaper* than a real one.
While I’m not a smoker, I don’t support the gestapo tactics the anti-smokine nazis have employed over the years, and would love to see the e-cigs sink their boats because they’re not out to save people, they’re just out to give themselves a power trip…
Provided this doesnt:
a) Smell bad.
b) Give people around you cancer.
*I agree smoking is bad for your health and can lead to cancer.
A- pretty subjective argument there.
I smoke but I’ve always had what people around me have called a dog nose. I can smell your breath- yes it smells, your perfume- it makes me nauseous, it ruins my meals. But I never complain. I don’t like smoke around me when I eat either or a smoke filled room.
b) Really? I mean really. A smoker will generally take decades to develop cancer (if they do), and you think occasional exposure to cigarette smoke is going to give someone cancer. Yes, I’ve read the FDA study and it critics. There will have to be more studies before I’ll concede “secondhand smoke” hysterics passe the smell test.
I think if people were really concerned with public health (and their own) they would be upset about this: http://www.oehha.org/public_info/facts/dieselfacts.html
I go out of my way so the fragile snowflakes around me don’t even catch a whiff of anything and still it’s not good enough. I mean I’ll have a mother give me a dirty look because I’m smoking within 20 feet of her kid while they’re bathed in diesel fumes.
One last thing, it seems to me that either my brain started out like this or early smoking changed it but smoking actually steadies my brain. It’s not just a fix. I quit for over 7 years- was a bartender before the bans, how’s that for ironic?- and I never quite felt balanced.
>End long rambling comment.
Uhm, public use of an aerosol device for a highly addictive and toxic drug? If the absorption rate is very high, cool, but I’d guess you’re exhaling a fair bit. Sure, I wouldn’t notice and really wouldn’t even mind, but from a technical standpoint, it’s not given that eCigs are just a single person issue. (1)
Leaving off eCigs, as a counterpoint to some of the comments coming in (2): I’m very appreciative of anti-smoking laws in general. It used to be that we couldn’t go out and choose not to participate in other people’s bad habits. At least smokers can always just not smoke while they’re in a public place (problems stemming from an addiction to a chemical you choose to take garner no sympathy). Overzealousness sucks but it’s still a small price to pay for the freedom to choose what DOESN’T go in your body (3).
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1: If I’m wrong and this isn’t an issue, then consider my concern retracted.
2: “It’s about control zomg!” is really starting to get old. We may want to consider how to keep our rhetorical tools sharp, they’re getting dull from overuse.
3: Diesel fumes noted and sucky, but don’t excuse other pollutants. See also failure of the media to provide balanced scare tactics.
X: Metaphor criticism fail – it had nothing to do with the danger of the rubber knife, the point is why are you reminding him that he likes to stab things? He can always get a real knife if he gets the urge.
I’m sick of people telling me what’s good for me. I couldn’t care less, mainly because of my youthful abandon and lack of respect for people who try to nanny entire populations.
Simply not allowing people the choice is called something… is it fascism? Yep that’s it. So, by not having places where smoking is allowed, and at the same time having places where it isn’t – effectively we’re living in a dictatorship.
Some people enjoy smoking, and personally I don’t understand this prolonging-life culture that will eventually lead to countries full of useless geriatrics and piles of used incontinence undewear. Well, guess what nannies.. I have enjoyed my life to the max. I have done lots of drugs, smoked lots of cigarettes, had lots of sex, seen and done some wild things.. and on my death bed, it’ll be worth it. Lots of fantastic memories.
You only get one life, so live it. Stop worrying about what everyone else is doing. In fact, just fuck off and whine into a dictaphone or something – just be sure to throw the tapes away afterwards.
Are you kidding me? Electronic cigarettes are harmless, and an incredible invention! You get the nicotine, but without the 4000+ harmful chemicals that are in regular cigarettes! There’s no risk of lung cancer. I can actually breathe now, and I can smoke anywhere regular cigarettes are banned (bars, restaurants, even airplanes!), and I don’t have to pay those ridiculously steep tobacco taxes. Sooooo, what’s the downside?
Here’s a really informative site that reviews lots of different kinds of e-cigarettes, for anyone considering switching over that wants to learn a little more about them:
http://www.greensmokesblog.com
And here are some videos showing how different brands of e-cigs work:
http://www.youtube.com/healthysmokes
“I don’t completely understand them…Let’s kill(ban) them!”
Wasn’t that the main mentality behind Adolf Hitler’s motivation (of many, of course) for the Holocaust?
A simple solution:
Treat them as you would cigarettes. You can’t smoke them in public establishments that have pre-existing laws and regulations pertaining to the use of smoking tobacco.
But banning a product that has the potential to save hundred’s of thousand’s of lives? That’s just plain ridiculous and unfair.
Not to mention the impact on the economy this product would make! Just think – People paying smaller health insurance premiums because they were able to quit smoking before it cost them in the long run, these lower risk clients would save our government millions when a universal health care system is installed. It would reduce the amount of cancer patients which would to a more productive society, one without such related diseases as there were before. This product in the long run would save the average smoker thousands a year! Each unit of cartridges (5 cartridges to a unit) cost only $12.50 – roughly the cost of 2 packs of cigarettes and each single cartridge last as long as a pack of smokes. This decrease in spending would allow the smoker to spend their money on other things and allow them to deversify their spending on something other than paying $75 a week on cigarettes, (or about $100 in NY seeing as they’re re-raising the retail tax on them another $1.25).
This product is an all around good idea. Of course much of what I mentioned would be possible if the product really caught on and was more popular, but just think of the possibilities.
“#12 posted by Anonymous , March 25, 2009 5:09 AM
Well I do aggree it’s not nearly as bad as normal smooking. and for some it can help them actualy quit. still the fact that it does release smoke, is something that could in some cases cause problems still. even with the argument that this smoke isn’t nearly as bad for those arround you as the smoke caused by the tradional way of smooking. I don’t think it should be considered compley harmless as there are places where having any kind of smoke can damper or mess up the experence. outside of those places I think these things should be treated like any other stop smoking aid and nothing more. it shouldn’t be used by those who are not trying to stop using the tradtional ones.”
Actually it only releases a vapor, basically identical to a cloud, literally. Furthermore, that vapor evaporates almost immediately, so if anyone were to have a bad experience with it, you would really have to be misusing the product.
E cigarettes are just an alternative to smoking. Whether they’re safer or not, they certainly aren’t worse than tobacco cigarettes. I can’t believe the FDA can justify such a double standard.
http://hubpages.com/hub/nicotine-replacement
Let’s get real, this isn’t about health it’s about taxes. If smokers switch the government loses all those taxes. They’d have to make vick’s vaporizers illegal if they decide the e-cigarette is harmful. It’s a no brainer.
You know that it’s not hard to see how our country
got into the shape it’s in today. People like (Chen)are simply clueless. Folks we are in trouble
when the FDA (Foolish Dumb Asses) Can’t get it right with the peanut butter manufactors. So they
continue to poison us at will. But let people
try to help their addiction to cigarettes with a simple product like e-cigs and the giant from
washington much come slay the evil e-cig. What
a joke our country has truely become.
We can’t control the illegal imigrants. We won’t control the wall street theives and banking froud.
But lets f— with the smokers again.
What a sorry state of affairs we live in.
I think it’s horrible that there are people who are going to tell me “how” to quit smoking. I tried the patch and it didn’t work. I tried chantix and it didn’t work. And no, i do not have the willpower to quit cold turkey because otherwise I WOULD’ve just like others have. So as a result, my choice is very simple. I can either continue to smoke a very harmful cigarette OR I can inhale steam mixed with nicotine off of an e-cig. I think it’s silly that others are going to protest me releasing steam out of my mouth which evaporates in less than 3 seconds and leaves no smell no nothing behind. As far as bars go, so smoking is banned but what do you notice? People always shoving you out of the way as they go in and out to smoke. When they come back they reak of cigarettes. So imagine! Even that can be avoided.
I don’t know who said that you can’t OD on nicotine off of regulary cigarettes. SURE YOU CAN. They are called chain smokers. In fact I did it once after having a few too many drinks (I had a tendency to smoke a whole pack of cigarettes within 3 hours when going out).
Second hand smoke is harmless anyhow, what they want to do is change the culture of tobacco via law. These people are fascists, plain and simple, and they made up an excuse to attack a minority group.
This goes beyond taxes and into the realm of crazy.
“” Chen believes that many ex-smokers will conclude that the e-cigarette is harmless and be lured back into the smoking trap.
“If you had a serial killer who liked to stab people, would you give him a rubber knife?” Chen asked. “This just boggles the mind.”
Yes, because then he wouldn’t be able to kill anyone. Metaphors are hard, like rocks. “”
everyone can keep giving example.
PLEASE SOME ONE TELL THIS WOMAN A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A KILLER AND A SMOKER.
the idea of E cig is simple better living and no harmful effects of cancer.
Electronic cigarettes are here to stay. there is no stopping the use of these cigarettes. What is the harm if a smoker wants to switch to a electronic cig.
FDA should worry more about the all the illegal drug that is being used in the USA.
You know, with everything going on, do you really think the FDA really needs to get involved with this quit smoking aid, which by the way is exactly what it is. I mean, it is the same as having a lozenge, patch, or nicotine gum. Really people, honestly need to get over themselves. My dad, after smoking over 50 years has finally agreed to quit smoking and it is because of this option. Please for heavens sake, go protest something else and as for the FDA, go bother someone else.
Electric Cigarettes
I am surprised the FDA has taken this position since the electric cigarette, while still not 100% safe (to be determined) does take away the major hazards of smoking tobacco such as:
and so many more
-source
Akovor.com
Electric Cigarettes
I am surprised the FDA has taken this position since the electric cigarette, while still not 100% safe (to be determined) does take away the major hazards of smoking tobacco such as:
and so many more
-source
http://akovor.com
And this is the same agency that couldn’t ban melamine that was tainted till it killed thousands of animals and sickened or killed babies?
I purchased a QuantumCig 3 months ago. I absolutely love it. My landlord who hates the smell of smoke has told me that this is the best invention yet. I dont see how this could be such a horrible idea. Im no longer causing more harm to myself from regular cigarette smoke and my smoking the electronic cigarette is NO longer harming those around us. I say bullocks to the FDA trying to ban this invention. I feel this is a horrible mistake just because the tobacco companies are throwing a huge fit that this is cutting into there profits. If they were smart enough they would have thought of this idea first. I feel its time for me to write a letter to my senator and house rep.
i have been a smoker on and off for twenty years. I dont like the smell of smoking or taste particuarly. why do i smoke then? first off i am sure it is a self medication for my ADD,, imagine that…. ADD people self medicate with drugs alchol and nicotine and risk behaviors.. (only nicotine for me) I DO want the choice. i want the ablity to feed my habit. with or without nicotine. for me the habit is the act of smoking. I have had more tradedies in my life than most ppl ten times my age…. sometimes you just need a stress releif. for me its smoking i decided years ago that i dont drink i dont do drugs i dont have lots of sex partners(married to same man for 20+ yrs) i dont do anything else “wild” and i figured its my choice …. then i founds e-cigs resently.. they fill my need for my add, save me lots of money…. it seems to me they only want to ban them because they want tax money we are paying for real smokes.. and they want to control all our choices… go stop dui’s first or kids riding bikes with no helmets… dont they have bettter things to do. im all for making sure whats in the eliquid is what the label says… but i if i want to put a legal substance (nicotine) in my body thats my choice… its not pot its a evil thing. are we coming to a nation where our next door neighbors cousins second wifes step child’s sisters cousin should decide how i monitor my life? so fine ban ecigs….what will happen… ppl will smoke reg sigs anyway and still be stinky, they might use more alcohol or other things to self medicate thier ADD or other issues… if they ban these before banning real cigs or nic gum its just like giving our freedom away one more time to some ya who who thinks they can make better choices for me because they know whats best for me even though they have never walked a step in my shoes…. how dare non smokers even have a say in whether or not ecigs are banned….
and as far as kids picking it up …. you have got to be kidding me… there is no way anyone would smoke an ecig if they were not already addicted to smoking…. and personally i would rather see teens who smoke switch to ecigs….i wish all you know it alls… know it all about nothings would just stick to topics you really know about… like cutting your lawn to the correct mm or organzing your pantry by size and color unless you are a smoker you really should just shut up and mind your own business
sorry for typos… im totally ticked and frankly a horrible speller
oh and one more thing….. im allergic to chocolate…. and alot of perfumes…..
i really think we should ban chocolate in public places just the smell of it makes me feel extremely ill (yes i know its a very rare allergy)
and i get sick just walking by alot of ppl who wear a normal amt of perfume….
i think we should ban everything that smells in public places….
oh wait that would me… no one could ever be with anyone else….no more public
The main thing that people dont seem to realize is that the e-cigarette itself comes as a device that cam be used COMPLETELY devoid of nicotene.
That makes it about as illegal as a bong used to smoke pipe tobacco.
I don’t get the crackdown on the device itself, seeing how bongs and hookahs are available at nearly every flea market. Drug delivery devices, they say. Money going to entrepreneurs instead of Altria and the government I say.
Real facts, people have quit regular cigarettes using this product. There is no other non Nicotine alternative that gives the motion and feel of smoking, which will cause some to regrettably return to the 4000 chemical, sideline smoke, littering addiction that they were free of for months if not longer, some even Senators themselves.
Let’s hope this ban is not put through, or not all inclusive, for the adult, rational people that used this product as it’s intended, a smoking alternative.
FDA is in bed with tobacco companies, thats the only real reason they want to ban this product… when it comes down to it if you dont pay uncle sam they will get you even if the products helps you
I had a shipment of 250 bottles of e-liquid, the Nicotine flavored liquid that is used for refilling Electronic Cigarettes, Refused Admission into the USA by the FDA!
The shipment was sent to me from a company in the Netherlands, who is based in China.
UPS handed the shipment over to US Customs, who then passed it on to the FDA for investigation.
The package was shipped on April 10th, 2009.
The final Refusal of Admission was given to me on May 5th, 2009, stating the following reason:
Refused: 2,500 ml
FPLA Section Section 4(a); 801(a)(3) Misbranding
The article appears in violation of FPLA because of its placement, form and/or contents statement.
William J. Forman, Compliance Officer
This is not SMOKE IT IS STEAM!!
An electronic cigarette Vaping which is mainly made of 99% H2o (water) 1 % nicotine. Compare this with a regular tobacco cig which has over 4000 Toxic,Posion & Carcinagines that kills over 400,000 people each year in the US & Not counting worldwide.An Electronic Cigarette on the other hand has No reports stating of any indications to deaths within the past 5 years of it’s making. I wonder if the FDA Labs do really exist? If yes, than I would recommend for them to regulate Tobacco Cigarettes before closing the doors on a great product called an Electronic Cigarette Vaping. I have been a tobacco smoker myself for a long time & when I was first introduced to an electronic cig, I thought this device is either going to overcome my habit of tobacco smoking or it’s gonna stop me for good. Well I’m here to say that it has done it’s job pretty impressively by making me quit smoking for good! Now I choose Vaping with an electronic cig, instead inhaling poison, toxic and & carcinogens into my lungs. So please think twice before you ignite another tobacco cigarette, instead choose a better alternative for you & for others! I choose an Electronic Cig. @ http://www.ElectronicCig.com
Check this out, Google “phillip morris fda” you will learn that not only does phillip morris praise the ant smoking bill which the fda is using to attack electric cigarettes they CO AUTHERED IT!!! this is no joke. This knoledge allows you to very clearly see what is happening here. The fda is not here to help us be safe they are here to help us die at the hands of phillip morris the makers of Marlboro.